FRHS Interview Italian Specialty Coffee Milan Milano Coffee Festival 2018 Professor Jonathan Morris Ph.D Travel

A Look into the Future of the Italian Coffee Scene with Professor Morris

A Look into the Future of the Italian Coffee Scene with Professor Morris

Professor Jonathan Morris Ph.D is a Analysis Professor at the College of Hertfordshire, UK, who has revealed extensively about the historical past of espresso. Professor Morris spent a number of years dwelling and learning in Italy in the late ’80s and most of the final three many years have been spent researching and understanding Italy’s trendy historical past and international espresso consumption. Two fields that many occasions intersected.

His newest publication ‘Coffee: A Global History’ tells intimately the story of espresso from its origin many centuries in the past, in the forests of Ethiopia, to this present day.

As a visitor to the Milan Coffee Pageant 2018, Professor Morris gave a lecture about the Italian espresso tradition. Afterwards, he sat down with Omri Almagor to talk about the future of the Italian espresso scene and the place the Specialty espresso has in it. His observations and information gained from years of research of the area are very fascinating, particularly since Specialty espresso continues to be so new to the majority of espresso drinkers. As Omri says himself: “… there are a handful of specialty cafes in a few big cities in the north of Italy. Even fewer in the center and south. For example, there are about 15 specialty cafes in Lombardia. There are 30,000 coffee bars in Lombardia. Contrary to what we see in other parts of Europe though, the concept of coffee chains is mostly foreign to Italy—with the exception of McCafe. Starbucks is opening its first few shops in these days, and other big European chains are absent completely.”

Photograph: Specialty Pal for Milan Coffee Pageant 2018

Omri added: “As a foreigner living in Milan through the changes the Italian coffee market is undergoing, it is nothing short of amazing. This is still a very traditional market, serving a decent (though monochromatic) espresso in most street corners, but we’re seeing sprouts of specialty cafes, designed spaces and big chains. There’s a whiff of something new in the air.”

A huge half of this interview is devoted to creating readers perceive that our “new world” definition of Specialty espresso won’t translate to Italian on an enormous scale, not simply but.

Professor Jonathan Morris Ph.D with Omri Almagor (proper)

Professor Morris, how, in your view, have issues modified in the previous couple of years?

“The idea of the coffee shop as a place to sit and spend time, rather than the coffee bar to go, have your quick coffee and leave, was introduced.”

From the areas’ aspect we’re starting to get nearer to the selection of espresso outlets that we all know throughout Europe – not simply Specialty unbiased [cafes], but in addition small chains and places embracing the concept that espresso store is a spot to take a seat and spend time, and never simply to have a fast espresso. I am seeing extra locations that serve espresso alongside a small meal, permitting individuals to linger, in against consuming shortly in a Trattoria or Tavola fredda (a buffet-style restaurant).

My guess is that this was a chance that got here out of the 2008 disaster and altered the state of affairs.

It is also very just lately that we have seen the use of the phrase “Specialty” in Italy and there is the additional understanding that Specialty is not simply espresso and that there could be extra than simply the home mix. There’s an entire selection of espresso and also you begin seeing Chemex and V60 served at some places. That strikes me, notably in how briskly it constructed, however these places are nonetheless few in quantity.

You’ve talked about the conventional espresso market – a bar at the backside of each second constructing, providing a primary expertise and occasional. Will that phase additionally undergo a change?

“Specialty is often a young person’s culture.”

The normal Italian espresso has its many followers and presents a stability between flavour and physique. Specialty espresso moved the focus away from the stability in the direction of the extra distinctive and distinct notes and tastes. Maybe even moved too far.

It is going to be very a lot a generational change the place Specialty will first discover its means into the hearts of the youthful shoppers and the easy neighbourhood bars will in all probability be the final stand of conventional espresso.

Specialty espresso is a overseas idea to the Italian market. The place do you assume the connection may be established?

“The opportunity for Specialty is to extend choice and to operate for those who want to move outside traditional boundaries.”

That can also be why Specialty goes hand in hand with non-traditional locations and non-conventional societal attitudes and why it is engaging to lots of teams who really feel in any other case marginalized. The Specialty group tries to be far more open in that regard. That is the foundation of this group shaped round espresso and provides extra than simply information but in addition the story of these concerned in it.

As Specialty is a non-traditional idea in a standard market, is there a greater phrase to explain the place the Italian market ought to be heading?


It is what you need with out being over the prime. It truly means a greater than common espresso, which does what it wants however gives a bit extra. If it is a soccer participant in a match, he’ll rating a 6 out of 10 in the sports activities papers. So, espresso that has a style profile, is balanced and might be a mix. INEI [Italian Espresso National Institute] has already outlined the traits of Italian espresso fairly properly and that could possibly be stored additionally with a better high quality of espresso, even when not Specialty by definition.

Cafes have gotten extra just like the espresso outlets round Europe in type and environment, however do you should serve a greater and costlier espresso in these locations to be engaging?

“The coffee is going to have to support a better price for you, and that’s a difficult concept in a place where espresso is a euro.”

Do you must serve higher espresso? No. However if you wish to make a revenue out of your espresso, particularly in Italy, you must, so you possibly can ask for a greater worth. You will even have a spread of different drinks, some will probably be “more style than substance” and never essentially Specialty – maybe coffee-based candy drinks. These drinks will convey in additional viewers, you possibly can cost extra money and it’ll hold individuals seated longer. One purpose is that there’s extra to drink, and that’s true additionally for Specialty brewing strategies.

The opposite factor of progress is a bakery and providing a larger selection of small snack-like meals.

So the place will the Italian market be in 10 – 20 years?

“I’m a bit shocked, having seen the queues outside Starbucks, and that throws me a little.”

A nice consequence shall be to see the similar giant quantity of roasters producing a much bigger selection of espresso, which has far more of a narrative and thought to it and goals to be a ‘valido’ espresso. That may the greatest end result, alongside with a Specialty sector and Italian Specialty independence – which we’re beginning to see in Italy and which is contributing to some of the greatest moments the Specialty motion in Europe is seeing presently.

A dangerous consequence can be if we see the chains turning into extra business, dominate the places and drive down the quantity of roasters. That may not be a constructive approach ahead, it might severely harm the tradition of native neighbourhood bars and drive down the selection. The worst state of affairs would show a rise in the espresso worth and a drop in its worth throughout the market.

A respectable compromise can be to see extra Italian chains providing one thing native. In that sense, Caffè Napoli is spectacular for doing one thing which is each socially genuine but in addition matches a format that’s straightforward to breed. So a rise in such varieties of chains might spell a greater future than a speedy unfold of Starbucks.

The Italian bar house owners are very a lot dependant on their roaster for a package deal deal of espresso, machine and repair. This type of settlement may be considerably of an impediment to vary. How can we get round it?

“The nexus between roaster, machine and bar is one based on price all the way through.”

The best way to vary is for roasters to supply higher varieties, extra blends and extra origins, so bars might supply the home mix plus two. The purchasers will present which espresso they like and the way a lot they’re prepared to spend on it.

Any change is pushed finally by somebody considering there’s cash in that change, and on this transaction, the cash has to return from the shopper, which should be prepared to spend extra.

Most Specialty is predicated a bit on the notion of “serve it and they will come” and also you hope that they may. The identical factor will apply right here if there will probably be an indication of market demand for a greater or extra diversified espresso.

Examples of such successes in Italy are Caffe Terzi in Bologna and Caffe Del Doge in Venice. For a few years they have been serving the home mix at a worth a bit over the norm but in addition providing a couple of extra blends and single origins. On this method, they’re opening their clientele to new prospects and driving the market ahead. One other instance is Cafezal in Milano, which may principally serve their primary espresso but in addition information the clients by way of their brewing vary.

Small roasters and micro roasters even have an enormous half in bringing about the change. By having their very own institutions to serve their espresso and by being much less constricted by the limitations of a heavy enterprise outfit they might supply artistic options.

You supply a bit extra, the shopper will get a bit extra, he needs a bit extra and the wheel retains turning.

Thanks, Professor Morris, on your helpful perception into the improvement of Specialty espresso scene inside such a standard market as Italy’s.

The interview was edited and Prof. Morris’ full replies have been condensed for readability and readability.

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